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wouldn't it be great if the software could run the same code on-prem and in the cloud

welcome - at the bottom of the thread is a whiteboard where Brian and I discuss public, private and enterprise clouds - lots of debate here. Public cloud and SaaS are part of every company's portfolio

@furrier @chuckhollis that would be unbelievable! :-)

. @chuckhollis the architecture that can accelerate the "data value" or capital will be the preferred approach

@furrier Why not, John. Otherwise, it is very uneconomical to develop majority of apps!

Sorcerer just add containers

It's not just application consistency and mobility btw public and private, it's consistent operations, security, support, etc.

can we unpack this a little...talk about the data gravity and the lines b/tween apps & data

Ideally, it'd be develop once, run anywhere -- and without imposing a ton of complexity on the IT org.

@furrier Good point. Thx

so the database stays put and the apps run from anywhere

Well, data does have gravity :) But there are other issues about where to run: user locality, data governance. My point is that if public is fundamentally incompatible with private, you end up with a fragmented, ad-hoc approach

an understanding of dist systems and eventual consistency for data mgmt can help reduce complexity and costs

Most enterprise apps won't tolerate eventual consistency. You've either booked an order, or you haven't.

@dvellante databases staying put is a mistake. Latency matters. Perf matters. Remember UK NHS comment at #HPEDiscover. Reduced 60 min query to 2 sec.

I think the new "cloud architecture" will be a unification between public and private. The business will demand it.

@bpatrick001 @chuckhollis ok...full circle - so what are the use cases for hybrid? Do I have to move my database to really exploit it?

You certainly would want the flexibility to move a database and still provide a consistent operational environment.

Whether that database move would make sense or not would be the result of all sorts of other factors.

btw: Bi-modal IT is BS it's omni-modal

"omni-modal" -- like it. What is today's development is tomorrow's production, and cloud incompatibility is a real issue with practitioners.

@furrier Gartner boycott of The Cube likely for that comment

@bpatrick001 i'm sure they will. but they got that wrong

@bpatrick001 to me the software story is what will drive this new cloud private public - hybrid

Ok...so I need a method to re-start my system - I guess this is where a ZDLRA would fit

@bpatrick001 the hw has to enable software of course more power

The problem with today's definition of "hybrid" is that you're essentially reconciling two fundamentally incompatible architectures: public and private.

zdlra comment was meant for you

@furrier and if the HW can enable the SW like security, all the better

@dvellante Funny that Oracle can sell a database and then sell another appliance that eliminates the data loss in their database. I thought that was the whole RAC original proposition.

I'm not sure this is about products, it's about architectures -- at least in my mind. Most enterprises won't be able to go "all in" on cloud until they see a unification between public and private.

@bpatrick001 yes it's a great perpetual revenue stream if you can get it!

ok...I'll rephrase. you need an architectural method to efficiently restart the app w/o moving 5 TBs of data

@bpatrick001 RAC is about scalability & availability, not necessarily security of the data

Yes, I see what you mean. Some apps will want to run on-prem, some in the public cloud. But there shouldn't be inherent architectural barriers when making your choices.

and in a perfect "cloud" world, we shouldn't have to worry where the apps are, and that they are just running optimally for the business

Gotta run, guys -- it's been fun!

thanks for joining the conversation chuck

@furrier Absolutely right. This is what cloud computing meant to be.

. @futureofcloud great survey by North Bridge and Wikibon

Ditto!

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You can find a summary at http://ow.ly/VZ4X6

the leaders that leverage the tech will win the next big position

once the CIO can get the facilities monkey off his/her back then the innovation begins

And with the right mix (cloud app, sales model), the end users will benefit too. Benefits to both sides of the equation.