HybridCloud

IBMz: Make Hybrid Cloud Yours
Join #IBMz & Compare the Cloud for our TweetChat on IBM zSystems, Hybrid Cloud & Making it your own.
   9 years ago
#HybridCloudIBMz and the Hybrid CloudJoin #IBMz & Compare the Cloud for our TweetChat on IBM zSystems, Hybrid Cloud & the API Economy.
   7 years ago
#HybridCloudSimplify Hybrid CloudJoin a panel of experts to discuss how next gen hybrid clouds should support digital business
Top Votes
Bill Mew
What are the workloads that you think will play most to LinuxOne and the BM z platform? and will IBM z always be the best solution for such workloads?
[+] Show Hidden Comments
[-]
Bill Mew
Aside here from the obvious advantages of the IBM z platform in terms of security, scalability and performance!
[-]
Neil Cattermull
Thats interesting Bill, I think the LinuxOne box is gaining momentum now due to the open source friendly nature of the product. This with the ability to be at its core - a mainframe - is quite a major plus point
[-]
Bill Mew
I've just come back from the #OpenStack Summit in Tokyo where several players mentioned a growing interest in IBM z
[-]
Bill Mew
Obviously standards based OpenStack tooling gives businesses the ability to control a cloud infrastructure that spans z Systems, on premises distributed infrastructures and off premises cloud infrastructures using a consistent set of tools and technologies
[-]
Bill Mew
You can can manage provisioning and orchestration on z Systems through OpenStack APIs - and then you have the added horizon of Linux containers
[-]
e
DB heavy workloads (Mongo, Postgres, Maria etc) run upto 2.2x faster out of the box with no special tuning. Analytics (e.g spark-perf bench was 1.5x faster) etc
[-]
e
We're also close to getting 1 million Docker containers on a single box!
[-]
Neil Cattermull
So, in a nutshell chaps - What would I use a LinuxOne box for? any takers?
[-]
e
@NeilCattermull to build Skynet :)
[-]
Bill Mew
While in Toky I met senior Execs from Suse who were talking about SUSE OpenStack Cloud 6 - Based on OpenStack Liberty, delivers high availability and non-disruptive upgrades plus Docker and IBM z/VM mainframe virtualization support
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@elton_de_souza Thats just amazing! and how many VMs needed to manage this?
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@elton_de_souza Build it? you a;ready have it :)
[-]
e
@NeilCattermull We'll put out a whitepaper on that proof point soon. Stay tuned !
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@elton_de_souza On the Skynet question or Container :)
[-]
Bill Mew
We are talking support for z/VM in a SUSE OpenStack managed cloud to allow organizations to take full advantage of the performance, scale, security and high availability of the z Systems mainframe
[-]
e
@NeilCattermull Skynet on LinuxONE would be scarry - there's no way to turn it off, even if you pull the plug on power or storage.
[-]
Neil Cattermull
How about an onprem open source powerhouse public cloud product that serves internal and external applications securely via multiple containers? a sort of on prem and burstable hybrid induvidual cloud?
[-]
e
@NeilCattermull Both
[-]
Bill Mew
I'd love to know more about the 1 million Docker containers on a single box - what's the upper limit?
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@elton_de_souza :)
[-]
Bill Mew
Regarding 1 million Docker containers on a single box - is there anything other then System z that can get anywhere near this?
[-]
e
We don't know the upper limit..Its over 100M theoretically.
[-]
Bill Mew
That's mind blowing!
[-]
zster
The great thing about using OpenSource on LinuxONE is that it can be leveraged to support experimentation for new apps and then integrated into your enterprise SCM (assuming it is Team Concert)and other dev tools ;-)
[-]
Bill Mew
Imagine a live migration of a million containers - we're talking about one hell of a demo!
[-]
Neil Cattermull
So, IBM LinuxOne can house over a million Docker containers and migrate live, amazing!
[-]
e
@NeilCattermull Yep, depends on what's running in the containers but we're running the same thing as https://blog.docker.... for now
Bill Mew
Starting with an opening question here – do we all see Hybrid Cloud as the way forward for enterprises?
[+] Show Hidden Comments
[-]
Bill Mew
I recall a strong opinion here from an an IMer that will be familar to you all - #Hybrid #cloud is the battleground for IBM @cloudstuff @IBM http://bit.ly/1Lk7zq...
[-]
Bill Mew
@neilcattermull would you agree that Hybrid is the key battleground here?
[-]
Neil Cattermull
Indeed Bill, however with more choice becomes more management needed
[-]
Neil Cattermull
How do we manage #Hybridcloud effectively?
[-]
Bill Mew
Also from IBMer @cloudstuff we have a guide to Navigating the #hybrid #cloud world http://bit.ly/1Lk7zX...
[-]
{([ Ryan Boyles ])}
one of our social VIPs (name omitted) at #ibminsight did not think that hybrid would be around very long but then i asked him "what about mainframe?"
[-]
Neil Cattermull
docent the clougmgr sw now enable management of VM environments as well as Mainframe?
[-]
zster
I have read that the key to winning the hybrid cloud battle is based on choice....giving customers the choice that is the best fit for their applications@BillMew
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@theRab Pray tell - whats his name?
[-]
Bill Mew
@theRab Interesting that you don't see #Hybrid around for long this opinion was reflected in my recent blog here - • Future of #Cloud: Part Two - Overcast with Sunny Spells and Storm Clouds to Follow http://bit.ly/1P0tng... @comparethecloud
[-]
e
@theRab Hybrid Cloud is here to stay. People said the mainframe would die out in the mid 90's, but here were are with 40% CAGR for z13 in 2015.
[-]
{([ Ryan Boyles ])}
@NeilCattermull thus a great debate began about z and SMBs and how to manage #bigdata when you're small but growing rapidly
[-]
Bill Mew
In this blog I mentioned that - "Interestingly mainframe applications may be among the ones last to shift, meaning that, in an ultimate irony, this legacy particular platform may outlast the Unix/RDBMS rivals that tried to replace it."
[-]
Neil Cattermull
With #hybridcloud being the mainstay for cost flexibility as well as burst-ability to other services, why wouldn't it be?
[-]
Neil Cattermull
I think whats key to #hybridcloud is the management of multiple hybrid services. bad management = bad service
[-]
Bill Mew
@elton_de_souza Often hybrid technologies are a stepping off point between an old technology and a new one that will eventually replace it - such as hybrid cars as a step toward fully electric vehicles
[-]
{([ Ryan Boyles ])}
@NeilCattermull exactly, so hybrid would seem to be the answer to the growth scale challenges for almost anyone who doesn't own all of their services
[-]
Bill Mew
There was an interesting article on this in the Harvard Business Review recently -- The Prius Approach: How hybrid technologies help companies survive disruption and shape the future. by Nathan Furr and Daniel Snow
[-]
e
@NeilCattermull Mesos/Marathon/Kubernetes on z from the OSS world for clouds management based on containers..not aware of IBM solutions in this space.
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@theRab Definitely Ryan! Now imaginee 5 years into the future and #hybridcloud has merged into on prem hybrid infra that services the local client internally and also externally with the burstability and security needed
[-]
{([ Ryan Boyles ])}
@NeilCattermull do we have to wait 5 years? ;-)
[-]
Bill Mew
I can see on longer term outlook where everything is just cloud anf the need for private or hybrid or on prem has gone away, but that leaves a very long period between now and then in which #Hybrid id the only realistic option
[-]
Neil Cattermull
yes bill exactly
[-]
Neil Cattermull
interesting to see other large players in the market pulling out of public cloud too
[-]
Neil Cattermull
@elton_de_souza Hmmm, i not sore about that as i do remember reading something about this recently. ill check