speedideation

for me some kind of "open, generic API" to all data sources might be an approach

sharing data files is often the problem - as a simple example think of windows users sharing visio drawings to mac users...

Just like soldiers in the field working with classified info that's unsharable due to IT's unrealistic expectations, I think we'll see moves to personally-owned rather than company-owned tech. For example, LinkedIn.

or also look at convertability as in Google apps...there are limitations but we gotta carry them with us for the sake of producitivity and innovation

Agree here, Isaiah. But have we considered all risks behind that? Like "share what can be share but don't forget IP"?

I think that you can use http://www.omnigroup...

I love omnigroups products and use them myself - but do they run on windows?

@ChrisFangmann Yeah, it's no man's land right now. The risks of not getting stuff done are viewed to outweigh in the mind of the person executing, while the risks of IP/data outweigh the minds of the strategists/IT, and it's an impasse.

I don't think so. But you can open Visiofiles

So for me this is coming back to "secure your data - and don't underestimate people's intelligence"; understand implications if you keep staff from using preferred tools

Seems like googles chrome infrastructure is trying to build the bridge between platforms - but their office products is still not fit for pulication use. Are (built-in) source file converters the solution?

@ajahn the mac has always been more open and able to use what microsoft stuff produces but not vice versa. From the days it could actually read a windows floppy.

I use Mac almost exclusively. The security, IMHO, is significantly better and I can use UNIX/Linux standard tools when administrating multiple environs - a better value added for customer support.

Separating technical capabilities from legal limitations, the answer to "Can we do it" is certainly yes. We should address "Should we do it"

@Faisal_Siddiqi I see your point - but imagine we could get the best resources on a bid or project....and people interested in getting a career can get found

I absolutely agree that it's valuable and worth doing

@Faisal_Siddiqi Great - do you want to join the team? (Thread B in Tech Transformation)

worth considering hooking up with thread B

Sure - we're working on a conceptually similar idea in workstream P1b for mining twitter and stackoverflow - might be able to leverage something :-)

@Faisal_Siddiqi Excellent!

I love that idea...linkedin is accessible and widely used - and many people keep it up to date voluntarily instead of being forced to.

@t_baus_x we should - and already am - using LinkedIn more. Most of CSC's jobs are posted on LinkedIn (looking at the other way). So if all have updated LinkedIn profiles there are no need for internal skills or job tools... except for "secret" jobs

Cool - (maybe anonymized) data sources to cross reference: internal communications, C3, LinkedIn, Twitter, Google+ Others?

@Faisal_Siddiqi yes, all of those using analytic tools like attivio

cool stuff @Faisal_Siddiqi can you import information from linked in into C3 or elsewhere instead of just putting in the URL?

length is cool, less than 45 mins is not doable I guess from a conversational progress POV

I think a topic(s) in advance is a good idea so people can prioritize the sessions they want to attend. Suggest 20-30 minutes max since this is SPEED ideation.

but perhaps 45 min is the magic number, as the convo will naturally start to thin out as we all prepare for next meetings. Others?

Having a topic in advance is good as we can easier focus from the start, 45 mins would be good, I think. Follow-up will be critical. @ChrisFangmann we need to sort that out ;-)

@sorenhelsted oh yes, I'll send you some work :-)

or has there been somebody who did use despite not being approved and never got caught?

I know stories of people who wanted to use their own tools but couldn't due to lock down (not a CSC example). People need the flexibility to use what gets their work done.

@chrisfangmann We let employees use their own tools all the time. From Evernote to Prezi to other fun items people bring in, we're constantly allowing them to experiment and don't really have any policy. When we're at HP HQ, they get tech env

Getting caught means that you need to cleverly monitory your employees use of their company computers.

As LEF puts it, this is about treating employees like adults; no more Nanny state.

Sometimes not the tool is the problem. I have much bigger problems with the proxy and the webfilter.

@ajahn so what do you do to solve?

I know a lot of folks who have freeware tools to edit PDFs....also just look at zip/rar container tools :)

Go home and do my work on my private network

@ajahn That's so unproductive - and means you might take data out of secure space...

@ajahn which is sad but true for me as well...or use my tablet as a hotspot when in the office

I wanted to do some selfstudy with vagrant, chef, puppet... but the most url's are blocked

@ajahn One solution of course is to go through the urls 1by1 and get them approved

@t_baus_x but there is no way to get one or more gigabytes over 3g

I mostly work in my home office and 99.9% of what I am doing works without filters. Very rarely do I need to use VPN. When not using VPN all resources are available except what has been blocked on the company laptop (if anything)

Or bypass the proxy which is usually the problem - but dont tell :-)

@chrisfangmann can a company RISK disabling their people to do voluntary efforts for work?

@t_baus_x or use a 4G modem with as a wifi router

@ChrisFangmann But there is not only one location to unlock. There are a lot of different locations.

@ajahn thats where bypassing the proxy server (temporarily) can be a solution

But that is not a good solution. If everybody do so we can open the door for everyone

@ahjan So this seems to be a real issue (well, I know it is), so who'd like to join a team working on a better, solid solution?

Agree @ajahn, so having a separate "guest" network in the office could solve this with a smart gateway and network design.

We do have a guest network at CSC, maybe we can work on getting this fit for purpose?

@ajahn I guess since there is so much trouble around the Proxy in general ... Would a blacklist be better than a whitelist?

@t_baus_x Or a "crowd-voting" solution, leveraging on more than one categorizing service?

As a developer I have to visit a lot of page to search different topics. I think that the way of saying everything is locked until it is unlocked by a user is not the best way.

Why is there not a blacklist solution.

@t_baus_x I think security folks will think that a blacklist is not secure since you can make a new domain quickly if you have a malicious mind and bypass the blacklist

I think that it is more dangerous that people use private g3/g4 connections to get the data. These connections are not always secure and the company can't control/check the loaded data.

@ajahn we need to distinguish between data where security is critical and data that is not. Like what we do on the tech trans where we use a mix of Google drive and C3 - with each individual judging case-by-case. People need to understand data security

Is there a way to get ports open? Today I wanted to test a VM hosted on Microsoft Azure. At my home network there was no problem to get a connection via rdp. At the CSC network there was no chance.

@ajahn You have a very important point here, I think. If we are not in a production environment we should be able to have the ports open we need to do our work as long as it does not jeopardise security. What is the procedure? I dont know.

Maybe I should do a call to CSC help and ask them. I will tell you if I have news about that.

@ajahn great, thanks, would love to know. If they cannot open we may need to put crowd-pressure on them

:-)